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	<description>jason edward lewis</description>
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		<title>Comment on Does tithing complicate giving? by steward</title>
		<link>http://www.thegenerouslife.net/2011/05/tithing-makes-for-complicated-giving/comment-page-1/#comment-990</link>
		<dc:creator>steward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 02:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at first i started reading the post and was thinking that his guy really gets it. He understands the legalities and roadblocks to spiritual growth that tithing brings to a Spirt led individual. But then i read the last paragraph. When i read that tithing is about obedience, i was confused. Is the author worried about people feeling comfortable to give, or is he worried about obedience?

- jared</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at first i started reading the post and was thinking that his guy really gets it. He understands the legalities and roadblocks to spiritual growth that tithing brings to a Spirt led individual. But then i read the last paragraph. When i read that tithing is about obedience, i was confused. Is the author worried about people feeling comfortable to give, or is he worried about obedience?</p>
<p>- jared</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does tithing complicate giving? by Gary Arnold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Arnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 20:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE pays the Biblical tithe today.

Leviticus 27:30-33, Numbers 18:  The First Tithe - a tenth of crops and animals and commanded to take the tithe to the Levites.

Deuteronomy 14:22-27:  The Second Tithe aka The Festival Tithe - a tenth of crops, plus add to that the firstborn animals, and take for the yearly feast.

Deuteronomy 14:28-29:  The Third Tithe aka The Three-Year Tithe aka The Poor Tithe - a tenth of crops, kept at home, and invite the Levites, widows, orphans, stranger to eat.

Now, tell me.  Which of the above three tithes commanded by God does anyone follow today?

The ONLY people in the Old Testament that were commanded to tithe were those who INHERITED THE PROMISED LAND WITH EVERYTHING ON IT. They got the land, house, animals, crops, etc. ALL FREE AND CLEAR. No mortgage payment or rent to pay. And THEY were commanded to tithe on the crops and animals and take it to the Levites who INHERITED the tithe INSTEAD OF the promised land with everything on it.  No one else tithed.  Wage earners did not tithe.  Jesus didnâ€™t tithe.  Paul didnâ€™t tithe.  Peter didnâ€™t tithe.

The New Testament teaches generous, sacrificial giving, from the heart, according to our means. For some, $1 might be a sacrifice, while for others, even giving 50% of their income might not induce a sacrifice. In the Old Testament, ONLY the farmers tithed, and it was equal percentage (a tenth). The New Testament teaches the principle of equal sacrifice instead of equal percentage. Equal sacrifice is much harder to achieve, if not impossible, than giving ten percent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE pays the Biblical tithe today.</p>
<p>Leviticus 27:30-33, Numbers 18:  The First Tithe &#8211; a tenth of crops and animals and commanded to take the tithe to the Levites.</p>
<p>Deuteronomy 14:22-27:  The Second Tithe aka The Festival Tithe &#8211; a tenth of crops, plus add to that the firstborn animals, and take for the yearly feast.</p>
<p>Deuteronomy 14:28-29:  The Third Tithe aka The Three-Year Tithe aka The Poor Tithe &#8211; a tenth of crops, kept at home, and invite the Levites, widows, orphans, stranger to eat.</p>
<p>Now, tell me.  Which of the above three tithes commanded by God does anyone follow today?</p>
<p>The ONLY people in the Old Testament that were commanded to tithe were those who INHERITED THE PROMISED LAND WITH EVERYTHING ON IT. They got the land, house, animals, crops, etc. ALL FREE AND CLEAR. No mortgage payment or rent to pay. And THEY were commanded to tithe on the crops and animals and take it to the Levites who INHERITED the tithe INSTEAD OF the promised land with everything on it.  No one else tithed.  Wage earners did not tithe.  Jesus didnâ€™t tithe.  Paul didnâ€™t tithe.  Peter didnâ€™t tithe.</p>
<p>The New Testament teaches generous, sacrificial giving, from the heart, according to our means. For some, $1 might be a sacrifice, while for others, even giving 50% of their income might not induce a sacrifice. In the Old Testament, ONLY the farmers tithed, and it was equal percentage (a tenth). The New Testament teaches the principle of equal sacrifice instead of equal percentage. Equal sacrifice is much harder to achieve, if not impossible, than giving ten percent.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Generous Churches by Faamanuia Aloalii</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faamanuia Aloalii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 04:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for these great teachings on giving. Is it possible to have permission to use them in our church discipleship class? 

Sincerely
Faamanuia Aloalii</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for these great teachings on giving. Is it possible to have permission to use them in our church discipleship class? </p>
<p>Sincerely<br />
Faamanuia Aloalii</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does tithing complicate giving? by Tithing Complicates Giving « The Generous Life &#124; Bible Finance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tithing Complicates Giving « The Generous Life &#124; Bible Finance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Does tithing complicate giving? by Tony Isaac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Isaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with today’s church is that we have coined our own “Christian” phrases and have ended up muddying the water and thus confusing ourselves in the process.</p>
<p>Let us for a moment set aside our own definition of the tithe and look at how it has been defined in the bible </p>
<p><em> 22 “You must set aside a tithe of your crops—one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year. 23 Bring this tithe to the designated place of worship—the place the Lord your God chooses for his name to be honored—and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds. Doing this will teach you always to fear the Lord your God. 24 “Now when the Lord your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe. 25 If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the Lord your God has chosen. 26 When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household. 27 And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you. 28 “At the end of every third year, bring the entire tithe of that year’s harvest and store it in the nearest town. 29 Give it to the Levites, who will receive no allotment of land among you, as well as to the foreigners living among you, the orphans, and the widows in your towns, so they can eat and be satisfied. Then the Lord your God will bless you in all your work. Deu 14</em></p>
<p>There is simply no reference to tithing money in the above verse and you will struggle to find a tithe of money mentioned anywhere in scripture. With that out of the way, I think I understand what the author of this article is trying to say &#8211; people should give generously without looking at the so called “tithe” as the maximum to attain to. </p>
<p>The fact of the matter is the amount we give never commends us unto God rather God looks at the heart with which we give it. Hence Cain’s sacrifice was rejected and Abel’s was accepted and this had nothing to do with what was offered. We cannot say for certain that the widow who gave the copper coins gave at least a tenth but Jesus was drawing our attention to her willingness to give despite her situation. This too is in keeping with what Paul told the Corinthian church, “Anything you give is acceptable as far as you give it willingly and cheerfully.” This was also where Ananias and Saphira erred. They were quite unwilling to part with their money and they would not have died if they decided not to give anything at all.</p>
<p>In all of this though, what is most important is one’s relationship with God and if that is solid every other thing would fall nicely in place.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does tithing complicate giving? by Terry Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not sure I agree or disagree with your position on tithing because I am not sure of your position.  I do agree that there are other, perhaps better, ways to teach giving than by emphasizing tithing.  However, I am somewhat confused by your statement that “tithing could make things more complicated.”  It seems to me that teaching tithing simplifies things, although it certainly does not make life easier.  It might actually complicate the way we live, but the doctrine seems pretty simple to me.  </p>
<p>It is fascinating to me that those who oppose the notion of tithing point out the difficulty of moving from giving little or nothing to giving a full ten percent.  I certainly understand the financial implications of such a change, but what about the spiritual ramifications.  It seems that Jesus often asked people to stretch in their giving.  He did not correct the widow who gave two coins when she could have obviously kept one for herself.  He called His disciples to forsake everything to follow Him.  He praised the woman who poured out the entire bottle of expensive perfume.  </p>
<p>It seems inconsistent that people who claim to give their lives to Jesus find it impossible to give Him a tenth of their income.  Of course, we would never want to suggest they sell a car or downsize a house or do without cable TV in order to make it happen.  Tithing is a hard thing but so is turning the other cheek, going the second mile, forgiving those who have wronged us, and myriads of other things Jesus has asked from us.  </p>
<p>I have never heard someone who has tithed for a significant period of time who has said it was wrong.  They often talk about the difficulty.  They usually speak of the blessings it has provided.  I have never met one of these folks who say they wish they were not tithers.  I agree that tithing is not the end of giving, in fact, for most of us, especially those of us in America; it is a tip of the iceberg.  But, if we can’t give a tenth we will never get to where we should be.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Visitors Give? by Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.thegenerouslife.net/2010/04/957/comment-page-1/#comment-729</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 20:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Pastor Jeff, it sounds as if your congregation has given this some thought and I can appreciate that. You are just the road from me (York, PA). If you ever need someone to speak to your congregation, a retreat, or a small group about giving-related topics, let me know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pastor Jeff, it sounds as if your congregation has given this some thought and I can appreciate that. You are just the road from me (York, PA). If you ever need someone to speak to your congregation, a retreat, or a small group about giving-related topics, let me know!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Visitors Give? by Jeff Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 20:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t pass the plate during the services, they are on little tables by the door. We bring a symbolic plate to the altar for dedication during the Doxology/Give Thanks. We have a note that the plates are for us to show our gratitude to God for all we have been given. We know our visitors do give, because of the checks and the gifts that are left when we know we have visitors present in worship. Our members know to write checks in order to get credit. We now have electronic resources for giving through our website and in general. That has seen an increase as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t pass the plate during the services, they are on little tables by the door. We bring a symbolic plate to the altar for dedication during the Doxology/Give Thanks. We have a note that the plates are for us to show our gratitude to God for all we have been given. We know our visitors do give, because of the checks and the gifts that are left when we know we have visitors present in worship. Our members know to write checks in order to get credit. We now have electronic resources for giving through our website and in general. That has seen an increase as well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Offering Plates by Shawn</title>
		<link>http://www.thegenerouslife.net/2009/07/empty-offering-plates/comment-page-1/#comment-172</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Generous giving is an outward expression of our faith and an inward discipline of trust and commitment to God. &#8221; exactly it is an outward expression meaning something you do in fellowship with your brothers and sisters. And the comment about church leaders secretly enjoy bill pay, come on brother an offering is not paying a bill but rather a way of worship to our Lord and Savior.<br />
I have seen allot of dialogue about this lately. I don&#8217;t think you can make a reasonable comment that &#8220;I have yet to find Scriptures that imply that, “Thou shalt not give online,”&#8221;.<br />
Really were there ATMs, electronic/online banks, or the internet back then. </p>
<p>The over all point I am trying to make and I hope this comes across right. Is that tithing is an act of worship that was meant to be shared in fellowship. Its is important for a younger brother or sister to see a mature christian faithfully tithing. Talk about the norm what happens if the norm becomes nobody giving back to God. Were would we fellowship then? I think there can be a combiniation of both. I feel God meant for it to be done this way, until he comes back for us. Yes times are changing but do we need to change evrything he has set up for us, just for mere convinence. </p>
<p>Sorry I was so late responding to this I just now saw it.</p>
<p>God Bless, just throwing my thoghts out there.<br />
Shawn</p>
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		<title>Comment on Offering Plates by Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 03:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Use the bill pay service at your credit union or financial institution, and you don&#039;t need to write checks or worry about it.  My church still gets the paper check (althought they could switch to electronic if they wanted for no cost), and I don&#039;t have to worry about it.
Most financial institution&#039;s bill pay service can send a check to any address, so there are no issues, because the receiver is getting a check.
It is great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Use the bill pay service at your credit union or financial institution, and you don&#8217;t need to write checks or worry about it.  My church still gets the paper check (althought they could switch to electronic if they wanted for no cost), and I don&#8217;t have to worry about it.<br />
Most financial institution&#8217;s bill pay service can send a check to any address, so there are no issues, because the receiver is getting a check.<br />
It is great.</p>
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